Navigating Grief: Personal Experiences and Healing

Today,  we're talking about  the experience of grief and the process of healing after the loss of loved ones.  Andrea shares her experience of having a session with a medium  and connecting with her deceased parents.

We’re here for all of it, and we’re excited that you are too

Disclaimer: We can’t promise to stay on topic

Takeaways:

• Grief is a unique and personal experience that varies for each individual.
• Seeking support and professional help, such as therapy or counseling, can provide tools and guidance for navigating grief.
• The process of healing from loss takes time and may involve shifting perspectives and finding ways to remember loved ones with love and gratitude.
• Society often struggles with discussing grief, leading to discomfort and avoidance of the topic.
• Normalizing conversations about grief and providing support can help individuals feel seen, heard, and understood during their healing journey. Medium readings can provide a sense of peace and closure by connecting with deceased loved ones.
• Messages from loved ones through a medium can offer validation and reassurance.
• Specific signs and symbols can be used by spirits to communicate their presence.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Reflection on the Podcast
09:49 Seeking Tools and Processes for Healing
30:01 Preparing for the Reading and Calling in Loved Ones
38:16 Validation through Specific Signs and Symbols
45:36 The Importance of Choosing Supportive Relationships

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Transcript

Johanne Walker (00:01.63)
Whaa

andrea (00:05.946)
And we're back after another little mini break, a little hiatus. It's been a wild couple of weeks for sure. To put that very, very lightly, it's been a wild couple of weeks. And I don't know, like I find it's so different now when it's like doing something because you have to do it and it's just to put something out for the sake of putting something out. And then also

Johanne Walker (00:07.222)
Please open my door.

Johanne Walker (00:12.301)
Yeah.

andrea (00:32.746)
Instead, it's a flip side where it's like putting something out, not just for the sake of putting something out, but because we have something to share or we want it to be good quality or it's something that we're each going through or there's some resonance. But after a while, when you're in the same sludge for so long, it's like, so I'm still in the sludge over here. How are you doing over there?

Johanne Walker (00:51.714)
Hahaha

Johanne Walker (00:56.534)
There's nothing to say, nothing has changed. Whoa, whoa.

andrea (00:59.634)
Right? What was it last, was it last week when you're like, I'm just so sick and tired of myself right now. And then like that resonates with me very much so as well. And it's like giving up the agenda or giving up the expectation that, okay, it has to be like here, do, do. And it's like, well, no, let's just go with the, like, it's like less force, more flow. Less force, more flow.

Johanne Walker (01:06.762)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (01:12.013)
Yeah!

Johanne Walker (01:27.51)
Yeah, I just think that with the podcast, especially when we're talking about what's going on and we have lots of plans and we want our message to be clear, it's just that when we're not feeling it, we're not feeling it. So.

andrea (01:41.202)
Yeah. So as much as we say we have episodes every week, sometimes we don't. Sometimes we play hooky and don't. And I don't know, that's part of the wonderful experience of life, is it not? Yeah.

Johanne Walker (01:46.61)
Yeah. Do do.

Johanne Walker (01:55.231)
Life.

Yes. Well, it's like that. Well, I was saying that like, most of the time when I'm walking down the street, I'm like, Hey, how you doing? What's going on? Like, Hey, how are you? Like, it's a really great community that I live in. We know a lot of people and you know, you're in something when you're like, Oh, here they come. I'm Dick. You know, I'm dicking right. I'm Dicking left. Yeah. I can't talk to anyone cause I don't even.

andrea (02:12.866)
Yeah.

andrea (02:20.086)
Yeah, yeah. I'm hiding in the alley or I'm crossing to the other side. I'm putting the hat on and burning my eyes. Yeah. And the sun is shining, we're on the other side and we're feeling good. Like I'm feeling really good. How are you feeling? Okay, good. Good. Well, so.

Johanne Walker (02:28.53)
I don't even want to talk to myself right now.

Johanne Walker (02:37.559)
Yes!

Johanne Walker (02:42.989)
I feel great. Yeah. I feel great.

andrea (02:47.402)
I wanted to talk to you today about this amazing present that you gifted me for Christmas. And I wanted to share my experience with everybody because when you gave it to me, it came so far, it wasn't on my radar in any capacity at all. And I didn't even think it was an option. That sounded like a question, but I didn't even think it was like an option. Like it was just so out of left field.

Johanne Walker (02:51.903)
Hmm

Johanne Walker (03:05.154)
Yeah.

andrea (03:17.014)
that when you gave it to me, I was actually really taken aback. And I was like, okay, give me a couple of days to process this and let me figure out if this is something that I actually want. And then after I received said present from you, which I got the experience last week, and don't worry everybody, I will spill the beans and tell you exactly what it is without being convoluted and cryptic here, that I remember saying to you. And then I said to Dan, this is something that I didn't even know that I needed until I heard it. And then...

Johanne Walker (03:33.398)
Yeah, I'm like... Can we like...

andrea (03:47.11)
I needed it. So long story short is Johanne gifted me an experience, that sounds weird, an experience or a session with a medium for Christmas. So for those of you who don't know, both of my parents have died, they're deceased, they've passed on, they've expired, however you wanna call it, they are no longer on this earthly plane.

And my mom's death, it was back in 2018, it was a very speedy death. Six months to the day we brought her to the hospital, she was her funeral or celebration of life. So it was very, very speedy. So far speedy that we didn't even know what her wishes were. We didn't know what she wanted because we didn't even know we were, no, she was not ready to go. We didn't even.

Johanne Walker (04:37.166)
She wasn't ready to go. She was not ready to go.

andrea (04:41.95)
We didn't even have that conversation. It wasn't even on our radar. So like the remaining family members, we did the best that we could thinking of her, well, what would Lynn have wanted?

Johanne Walker (04:56.13)
So what did your mom pass from Andrea?

andrea (04:58.642)
She had cancer, but I feel like it's complications around cancer. So it was quick, it was speedy, and she passed peacefully in her sleep. And like I always think, you know what, like we don't, we're all like, it's a fact. We're all gonna die eventually. And if I could die peacefully in my sleep, you know what, I think that would be the best way to go. Honestly.

Johanne Walker (05:18.731)
Yep.

Johanne Walker (05:24.414)
Yeah, it's all we could want for anyone that we love that they don't suffer. Yeah.

andrea (05:29.826)
Yeah. So she passed in January of 2018 after a six month illness in 2017. And then my father passed 11 months later at the end of November of 2018 after, we'll say like a long drawn out illness. He had a terminal disease and there was no cure. Medication was given just to manage symptoms.

And it's every like two or three months or so, his baseline would just kind of drop a little bit lower and lower and lower and lower until at the end, he was predominantly nonverbal. And he had been bedridden for well over a year, I think at that point in time. And so with his passing, you knew it was coming or I knew it was coming, everybody knew it was coming. He also used,

Johanne Walker (06:03.612)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (06:13.576)
Yeah.

andrea (06:26.614)
assisted the assisted death organization here in Ontario, I think it's called M.A.I.D. To kind of facilitate his departure So I've had the experience of two very different deaths and I Felt really complete in my relationship with my father He when he was here because it's like okay, November 29th. Like that's his departure day

Johanne Walker (06:32.951)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (06:43.712)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (06:54.974)
So I have up until that point to say everything that I need to say to complete the conversations, to say thank you, to like we did a tour of all of his favourite foods the week leading up to his death. Like it felt really good. The hardest part was when friends and family members would come and visit him and you're like, that's the last time great aunt is gonna see him or his best friend is gonna see him. Like that's what really got me the most

Johanne Walker (07:20.436)
Yeah.

andrea (07:25.182)
waterworks where I had to leave the room. But other than that, like I felt pretty complete in my experience with him. And then I didn't realize like after he death and I died and I went through the grieving process and I did go see a grief counselor as well.

Johanne Walker (07:33.44)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (07:40.59)
How old were your parents when they passed and how old were you?

andrea (07:44.378)
I was, it was 2018, so I was 35, 36? I was in my mid thirties, like, 37, 38, 30. My mom was, I was 35 when my mom died and I was 36 when my dad died. And my mom died, she was 64, and my dad was 67.

Johanne Walker (07:52.855)
Yeah, I think so.

Johanne Walker (08:10.454)
Young people.

andrea (08:12.606)
Yeah, so needless to say 2018 was not one of my top five best years of my life thus far. Though looking back on it now, like if I have this belief where it's like well if I can get through 2018 I can do basically just about anything at this point in time. Like honestly, like if I can live through that and if I can heal through that and like not

Johanne Walker (08:29.842)
Right? Yeah.

andrea (08:39.37)
have it affect my personality and my identity so much, because I don't want to be known as the woman who's both of her parents died in 2018. Like I don't want that to be the only thing that like adds to my identity. If you get what I mean, because it's like, well, I didn't just, I keep living, like I keep going and time keeps passing. I'm not, I don't want to stay stuck in this like frozen state of 2018. So I actually,

Johanne Walker (08:54.561)
Right.

andrea (09:07.646)
about a year after my father passed away. So the end of 2019, I actually started to go to a grief counselor. Cause I was like, okay, let's try this on my own. Cause I got me, like I got me, I know what I need. Like I got myself, let's go, let's buy the grief books. Let's, you know, yeah, like, let's see. And like, I was so disgruntled by books on grief cause it didn't really give me any tools to help me.

Johanne Walker (09:14.126)
Great.

Johanne Walker (09:19.222)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (09:25.106)
Educate ourselves.

andrea (09:35.174)
you know I like my tools, I want to know a process to get through to the other side, like I want a plan. I don't like just kind of like floating around in limbo because it's like I'm feeling all of these feelings and I don't know what to do.

Johanne Walker (09:35.406)
Hmm.

Johanne Walker (09:39.978)
You need a plan. Yeah.

Johanne Walker (09:49.03)
Because grief is so different for every single person. Right? Like they can share stories on how people deal with it. And it's like, it's just something that you kind of just live through. Right? And we grieve all sorts of things. But for sure, you were, I mean, you got so sick. You know, you...

andrea (09:53.08)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (10:17.03)
You clearly were not coping. Because you were internalizing all this grief and pain.

andrea (10:23.93)
Yeah, well, and that's where it fully like the full experience. I think it's Caroline Myss who says you either speak it or you store it. And I was like, oh, yeah, OK, whatever. And then it's like I had that experience where I wasn't grieving. I was internalizing everything. I wasn't talking to anybody. I was playing the like, I got this. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'll just keep on keeping on. Right. Like, I got this. Don't you worry. I'm great. And then my body was like, here, hold my non alcoholic beer.

Johanne Walker (10:25.959)
I remember.

Johanne Walker (10:33.804)
It's true.

Johanne Walker (10:47.626)
I'm going to go to bed.

andrea (10:52.586)
we're gonna have some fun with you. And like legitimately like I was, the sickest I'd ever been in my life. And so once I got to the other side and I started feeling better, like that's when I was like, okay, I need to, I need support here because I can't do this on my own. And.

Johanne Walker (11:07.606)
Like just to be able to say like how sick you got because we were working together, we were doing a training together, like you couldn't walk.

andrea (11:17.416)
Yeah. I was limping. I was in chronic pain. My kidneys weren't working properly. I had a nine centimeter diameter cyst in my left ovary. I also didn't get my period for about 10 months, eight months, something like that. I think I gave myself IBS because I honestly, I couldn't eat anything.

Johanne Walker (11:17.72)
You know?

Johanne Walker (11:34.081)
Yeah.

andrea (11:41.166)
because I'd feel nauseous, my stomach would bloat out. And I remember talking to this, I was talking to a girlfriend about this a couple of days ago. She's like, well, that's an eating disorder. You gave yourself an eating disorder. I'm like, but I didn't consciously give myself an eating disorder. It's like my body just wouldn't take anything. Like I couldn't even drink water because it would affect my stomach. So I'd take a sip of water, I'd swish around in my mouth and I'd like spit it out. I was severely anemic.

Johanne Walker (11:55.008)
Yeah.

Yeah.

andrea (12:09.47)
my hemoglobin count was so low, my hair was actually falling out. I got super lean, which was like, I looked like a quintessential white yoga teacher, super lean, but like looking back at pictures at the time, like I looked like an old woman. Like I was not, I was not healthy. So it's, as I started to, yeah.

Johanne Walker (12:13.226)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (12:24.138)
Yeah.

No.

Johanne Walker (12:29.954)
Well, you were grieving. You were just full of grief. Yeah.

andrea (12:34.366)
Yeah. And it was just holding in my body because I couldn't talk it. I couldn't get it out. I didn't know what to do. And I remember at one point I was sitting at my childhood home and I was sitting in the back room on the couch and my dog Leo was there with me and I was at the home by myself and I just had a breakdown. I'm like, I don't know what to do. I just want my family. I just want my family and my family's not here. I can't get my family back. I just want my family and because I don't know what to do.

Like I don't know what to do. I just want my family. Cause you know, it's like my mom and dad would make everything better. But I can't, I can't see them anymore. I don't know, I don't know what to do because, and I remember I was having, I was wearing this old dressing gown that belonged to my mom that was really cozy. And I remember sitting there and it like, at the time, like I had already cut my hair short because my hair was falling out. So I just had to cut, I gave myself, I went to a hairdresser and got a pixie cut. So it was like, I can't, I would cancel going out for plans because I'm like,

Like I don't know what to do with my hair. Cause it just, it's thin, it's wispy. Like I'd always have to have it up in a ponytail or a bun.

Johanne Walker (13:41.622)
Sounds like you didn't know what to do with yourself. Ugh. Yeah.

andrea (13:43.826)
No, it's like, I don't even know what to, I don't know how to process this, I don't know what to do, I don't know what to say, I don't know who to turn to, I just want my family. It's like, I want my mom, but my mom's not here. So I'm gonna cry and have cuddles with the dog instead, and then I don't know what's gonna happen after that. But eventually, it's like something's gotta give, because I wanna keep on living, but right now, I can't do anything. So.

Johanne Walker (14:09.901)
Yeah.

andrea (14:12.074)
When I got to that point, I actually talked to a girlfriend and she recommended this therapy clinic and I started seeing a grief counselor. Because I was like, okay, nothing, like I've tried it on my own for over a year. I've tried it on my own. It's obviously not working because I'm still a mess. And I wasn't expecting it to be like, okay, put a little bow on it, okay.

Johanne Walker (14:24.956)
oooo

Johanne Walker (14:34.988)
Yeah.

andrea (14:39.478)
Done, put it on the shelf, gone through the grieving process in a year, like it doesn't work that.

Johanne Walker (14:42.594)
But you don't know, but you don't know until it happens. Right? Like we just don't know. You know, I too have had a lot of loss in my life. So until you're in it, you just don't know.

andrea (14:55.339)
Yeah.

andrea (15:00.202)
You have no idea how you're gonna react or what you're gonna do or if you need support or if you need time alone or, or like you don't know, like you have no idea. Like I might be going to get like a tattoo every week because that's what I'm gonna do or like you don't know until you're in it. And I found during that first year talking to friends, a lot of friends got really.

Johanne Walker (15:04.044)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (15:09.446)
and all of the above. Yeah.

andrea (15:25.538)
Not awkward and weird, but just didn't know what to say to me because no one else had really gone through that experience before. It was, oh, I'm sorry for your loss. And then the conversation would stop there, which I find interesting because if it's not someone that you know directly that passed away, it's just business carries on as usual.

Right? Okay, so you're allowed to take three days off of work and then you got to go back and business as usual, stiff upper lip and keep on going, right? Almost like pretending that it didn't even happen. It's like, well...

Johanne Walker (15:58.434)
You know, we had an event here on the weekend and, you know, that was something that came up that we're going to talk about is, um, dealing with aging parents, ailing parents, aging parents. I mean, we're here, you know, it happened to you a little bit. It really is. And it's just like, I feel like people want to talk about if you're in divorce or you're breaking up with your boyfriend.

andrea (16:08.97)
Yeah.

andrea (16:14.648)
It's a sandwich generation, right?

Johanne Walker (16:26.618)
or you're in some sort of like crisis like that, or they wanna talk about other people, like gossiping. But when it comes to death and grief, like even miscarrying a baby or, you know, it's like, I don't know what to say, so I'm not gonna say anything at all. I'm gonna be polite.

andrea (16:35.161)
Yeah.

andrea (16:49.314)
Like just, we're just gonna leave it over there.

Johanne Walker (16:52.286)
Yeah. Because, and it's like, we need to normalize the conversation around grief and how we can help each other.

andrea (17:00.387)
We do. We do, yeah.

Johanne Walker (17:05.014)
You know, so my question is, is that in that looking back now, is there something that someone could have asked or said to you that was appropriate for you at that time?

andrea (17:18.733)
I think I'm a very, you know me, I'm a very stubborn Woman over here, Johanne. And I feel like during that, I know, can you believe it? Um, I like, I'm very, very stubborn. I don't think within that first year, I don't think I would have been open to hearing anything from anybody else.

Johanne Walker (17:23.324)
You are?

Johanne Walker (17:28.482)
You are stubborn!

Johanne Walker (17:40.076)
Okay.

andrea (17:41.378)
Cause I was like, oh, I got this. Like I got me, I can handle this. I can do it all. Like I got this. And then it wasn't until the following, like November, December, where it was like, actually, you know what? I don't think I got this. I need, I need support. Like I need support. I need some help. And the reason like I saw, I started seeing a grief counselor is my boyfriend at the time, like we were just on the cusp of breaking up and he was a narcissist.

Johanne Walker (17:55.614)
Yeah, I'm falling apart over here.

andrea (18:11.478)
and he gaslighted me and he manipulated the situations and he kept making me feel like I was actually crazy and there was something wrong with me. And I was like, well, maybe there is something wrong with me. I'm like, maybe I should go see a therapist. Maybe I should see a counselor. I'm like, maybe that's a good idea. And I was like, you know what, let's do it. Let's go see a counselor and see like, what we can do for ourselves here. Cause I want some tools here.

Johanne Walker (18:11.905)
us.

Johanne Walker (18:35.694)
Yeah, there is something wrong with me. I'm grieving. I just lost both my parents. Right? It's so funny how it's like, they don't wanna stay in conversation, but it's like, it's over there. But actually, of all things that he did say, that was probably some solid advice in there. Right?

andrea (18:40.286)
Yeah.

andrea (18:53.63)
Oh yeah, like I would say out of that whole 10 and a half years together, that is probably the like the number one thing that he helped me with, like that suggestion. And albeit the way that it was said was maybe not in a very eloquent or polite sort of way, we'll say, because it was at the ending of our relationship. So tensions were high, emotions were running high, and you know, like sometimes you say things just to be mean. Yeah.

Johanne Walker (19:11.362)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (19:19.182)
Well, he didn't know how to deal with you. He didn't know how to deal with you. Because then he would actually have to go there and feel some things. So it's easier to say, you know what, you need to go over there. You need something, you need to fix yourself. You need to do this. You need to do that. You know, I feel sorry for you. You know, you need help. I hope you get it. It's such a narcissist thing to say to anyone.

andrea (19:26.006)
Yeah.

andrea (19:33.268)
Yeah.

andrea (19:41.77)
Yeah. So I saw a grief counselor for a while. I want to say a couple of months or so. And I remember going in and saying like, I just want tools. I just need tools. Cause they ask you like, why are you, why are you here? And you know me, I need tools. I need a process. I'm like, I want to get from point A.

Johanne Walker (19:53.953)
I'm sorry.

Johanne Walker (19:59.694)
I want this cleaned up as quick as possible.

andrea (20:02.85)
Well, it's like, I just don't know how to get to point B. I'm at point A right now where I can't think about my parents or any sort of memory or my childhood without legitimately falling to pieces. I don't even wanna talk about it because I get so emotional. This is where I'm at right now. I wanna get to point B, which is I can think back on my childhood memories and think about it with so much love and peace and gratitude and just contentment because I got to experience.

an amazing childhood. I got to experience a household where I was profoundly loved and looked after and just, well, like, of course we had our moments and whatnot, but like my parents instilled in me all these values. And it's like, I can't see the silver lining. I can't see the nuggets. I can't see, I can't appreciate it because I'm so wrapped into.

I just want my parents back. I miss my mom. I miss my dad. My life is so different that I can't see it through the lens. I can't shift my perspective, right? Because we talk about shifting perspective all the time. I can't shift my perspective into love and gratitude and just joy because all I can feel is sorrow and sadness and resentment and anger. Because for the first eight months, I was so angry at my mom.

Johanne Walker (21:06.229)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (21:14.134)
Cause you're so full of grief.

Johanne Walker (21:22.337)
Yeah.

andrea (21:26.434)
How dare you die and leave me with my father and my brother? How dare you leave me with them? How dare you leave me? Come on, seriously? This isn't a joke, why did you leave me with these guys? Seriously? Am I being punked right now? Right, and so it was.

Johanne Walker (21:36.846)
Yeah!

Johanne Walker (21:40.382)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (21:46.602)
Yeah. I remember my aunt saying that to my cousin too. She died in her 40s. And she said to my cousin, she goes, I'm so sorry to leave you with your dad and your brother, but you're gonna have to be the strong one here because they are not going to cope. Like she knew it. My aunt knew it. She said, they are not going to cope.

and you're 16 years old, and you're gonna have to hold it together.

andrea (22:21.794)
Like you're controlling the ship. You're holding the steering wheel of the ship.

Johanne Walker (22:23.734)
You know how much pressure that is for a 16 year old girl? You know, when she shares that story, I feel like, God, I should have been there more. You know? But I was like 18, I was doing my own thing, but it's just like, this is the type of pressure, right? Like not only did she lose her mother, but her mother put the pressure on that she had to hold it together for her brother and her father.

andrea (22:31.885)
Mmm.

Wacom!

Johanne Walker (22:53.182)
and they didn't hold it together. You know, they were grieving.

andrea (22:57.458)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (22:59.155)
Everybody was grieving.

You know? But I'm really glad that you went to go see the grief counselor, Andrea. Yeah.

andrea (23:07.486)
Yeah, me too, me too. So yeah, I said, I'm like, I just need tools to get from point A to point B, because I wanna be able to look back and remember things with love and gratitude, but I don't know how to get there. Like I honestly don't know how to get there. So please help me. And she helped me. She helped me, yeah, which is amazing, amazing. So I'm very, yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm profoundly grateful for that. So now I...

Johanne Walker (23:20.538)
Mm.

Johanne Walker (23:23.958)
and

Great. That's great.

Ah, oh my God. You were talking and my shoulders were going up on my back and I'm like, I'm feeling all anxious. I was like, oh my.

andrea (23:41.47)
And the grief never goes away. Like, when was it? It was last summer, we were at a retreat and something, and I don't know exactly what it was. It was like a song in class, or we were looking out, we were looking out and all the like, what are those bugs that light up at night? Thank you. Like the bugs that have the butts that light up, and the fireflies really up, the music was playing, and we just had a really good class with them.

Johanne Walker (23:54.518)
I think it was Hallelujah or something.

Johanne Walker (24:01.902)
Fireflies. I remember that.

andrea (24:10.074)
Amber who's been on our podcast before and it just hit me like a sack of bricks and I was like oh okay all right we're here for it where something's happened like something triggered not triggered but like there's a remembering and an unremembering going on right now and I just really need to be gentle with myself here in this moment.

Johanne Walker (24:16.088)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (24:32.234)
Yeah, because you felt safe and beautiful that you could actually access a little bit more of that grief. Right? We just learn how to navigate in the new normal. And, and you know what? You're doing a really good job. You are. Yeah.

andrea (24:37.79)
Yeah, because it never goes away. It's always there.

andrea (24:52.599)
Thank you. So fast forward to this past Christmas where we were out for dinner and you said, I wanted, well, what did you say to me?

Johanne Walker (25:04.022)
We were out in the distillery doing the Christmas market, which is a beautiful market that is in Toronto. And we were at the French bistro and we were having dinner. And I mean, neither one of us need anything. And I was like, I really wanna give you something. I said, you've never asked for it. You didn't know. And I said, but I feel like this would be really beneficial for you. And then you were like.

Literally, like, as I'm talking to you and I'm like doing it, you were like, what is this? Like, what are you going to give me?

andrea (25:39.794)
I was like, where are we going with this? I don't really know, okay.

Johanne Walker (25:45.214)
And I said, I would like to give you the gift of speaking with a medium so that you could talk to your parents. And you're like, Oh, really? I thought we were going to get like a couple's massage or something.

andrea (25:57.542)
I was so surprised, honestly I was so surprised it was not on my radar.

andrea (26:06.966)
Like a spa treatment, we're going to go for facials or something?

Johanne Walker (26:11.122)
And I just said, just stay with me here. I said, you know, I lost my dad at 47. Yeah, he was 47, I was 21, and he died suddenly in a fire. And I was not speaking to my dad at the time when he passed, because I was angry with him, because him and my mum were in the middle of a really messy divorce. And he was not living up to any of the expectations that I had put on him through that.

andrea (26:17.812)
He was 47. You were... Okay.

andrea (26:42.23)
He wasn't?

Johanne Walker (26:42.831)
So I was punishing him by not talking to him.

andrea (26:46.291)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (26:48.058)
as we do, living holier than thou. And then within that space, my dad died. And anyway, I went to go see a medium. And I was able to have a beautiful experience with him. That set me free. And I've been to a few mediums after that. But coming back to you.

andrea (26:56.356)
Mmm.

andrea (27:10.606)
Hmm.

andrea (27:14.324)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (27:16.95)
the gift was to you is that I wanted to give you the gift of a medium. And, and then you were like, okay, you know.

andrea (27:21.36)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (27:26.566)
Well, I had to take a moment to kind of wrap my head around it, because honestly, like I said, I'm like, oh, I don't even, do I want this gift? Like, I don't, like I've had my cards read, I've had my palm read, I've had my tea leaves read, like I've had all of that done, but like, this is so different. This is actually connecting in to your family members or who wants to come forward and have something to say. And I'm like, oh.

Johanne Walker (27:32.002)
Do I believe in mediums? Like, I don't know.

Johanne Walker (27:43.478)
This is way different.

andrea (27:55.046)
Okay, so I remember, you're like, you don't have to give me an answer. Just think about it, and then let me know. Just think about it. And I think I thought about it for a week, maybe, not even. Was it 24 hours? Okay, I was like, it was like five days.

Johanne Walker (28:04.046)
24 hours, no, it was pretty quick. You're like, I didn't know that this was an option. I would really like this gift. And then you said, you know, and then you wanted to know details. And I'm like, I actually don't even have a medium. But I said, leave it. This was a gift that I wanted. So then I just put it out there that I was looking for one and someone I could gift this to you. And lo and behold, she appeared.

andrea (28:18.086)
Let me get back to you!

andrea (28:33.13)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (28:33.454)
And so I called and I booked and you had your reading last Thursday.

andrea (28:38.774)
Last Thursday. Yeah.

Johanne Walker (28:40.894)
Yeah, so I was like coming up to it. We weren't really talking about it. And then we weren't talking about it. And then I said to you, like, how are you feeling about it? Tell me everything.

andrea (28:45.888)
No!

andrea (28:55.07)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (28:55.25)
And you're like, I'm kind of nervous. And then I said, well, talk to your parents, call them in, call everybody in that you want to talk to, you know, or whoever you want to talk to. Like it was your reading. I wasn't going to tell you what to do. And anyway, that's.

andrea (29:05.582)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (29:10.554)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was, I was kind of nervous because it's like, as much as it's like, well, do, do I believe this? Like, is it actually going to be my parents? What's the, like, what are my expectations? Like I've never had anything. Yeah. Like, did she do some research or like, what, like, like.

Johanne Walker (29:16.398)
Of course.

Yeah.

Johanne Walker (29:23.938)
Did she google my name?

Johanne Walker (29:30.87)
So she didn't have your name, because I booked the appointment. She didn't know anything. I just said it was a gift for a friend. And it turned out to be, the medium ended up being a girl that went to high school with my kids, because from what my understanding is, is that she was able to tap into this energy, because she just recently lost her mother.

andrea (29:33.684)
Yup.

andrea (29:38.475)
Okay.

andrea (29:57.215)
Mmm, okay.

Johanne Walker (29:59.17)
and

andrea (30:01.602)
So that was her kind of like that was like the catalyst or the access point for her.

Johanne Walker (30:01.79)
and then she wanted to connect. Yeah. Cause from what I understand, we all have this power if we choose to, I guess, harness it. Okay. So.

andrea (30:12.11)
Okay, interesting. So interesting. So yeah, so I had it last Thursday and I got a text from the gal like a couple days before saying like how to prepare and like start to like think about who you want to call in and whatnot and all that jazz. And so I did that. I did that. And like, like I wrote some stuff. So I asked for my parents. I asked for my mom and my dad.

Johanne Walker (30:36.393)
Who did you ask to come in?

Yeah.

andrea (30:41.358)
because it's like, I feel like I never really got to say goodbye to my mom either, because she just, I was the last person to see her alive. I was there with her in the hospital the evening before she died. And I never really got to say like a proper, like it was like a good night, we'll talk to you tomorrow sort of thing, but I didn't realize it would be like we'll talk to you who knows when. Yeah, whenever that is sort of thing. And then I wanted to talk to my dad because

Johanne Walker (31:01.646)
when I see you again.

Johanne Walker (31:17.346)
Yeah.

andrea (31:17.89)
Okay, I wanted to talk to my dad because I wanted to talk to my dad because I'm

Johanne Walker (31:22.418)
I swear to God, that's your parents bleeping in because the whole thing is going really funny right now. Okay, go. Yeah, yeah, anyway.

andrea (31:27.714)
Really? And I want to talk to my dad and like any other family member, like maybe my grandparents or whatnot, because it's like, I love my grandparents, I love my family. So it would just be really nice to talk to people again. And so the funny thing is, the funny thing is, so what the medium told me, and I'm jumping ahead here, is that anytime I have issues, because we just had something going on with the video and whatnot, that's my mom.

Johanne Walker (31:55.409)
Lynn Aymer, she's coming in hot.

andrea (31:55.458)
It's just my mom saying, hey, I'm here trying to get my attention or something. Because I'll have calls drop where I live a lot of the time or I'll have random stuff happen. Lights will sometimes flicker or just really random stuff. And the medium was like, well, that's your mom. And she also said there's a lot of spiritual activity where I'm at. And I live in an old warehouse. I live in an old building.

kind of makes sense and it's an older part of town as well. So kind of makes sense that there would be spiritual activity here. But anyway, that was me jumping ahead slightly. So when I, I called, like we called and we chatted through, I think it was like WhatsApp video or, right? Right? Cause I'm like, where do I start? Cause it's so interesting. And so like she, she, she asked, like, she's like, okay, start to, because you meditate together, you clean, you clean the space.

Johanne Walker (32:38.014)
It's hard not to because it's so exciting.

Johanne Walker (32:43.708)
I know.

andrea (32:51.618)
before you get into it and you ask for only like people with the best intentions or spirits with the best intentions from the white light to come to see you like create like kind of like a protection so nothing will kind of like get to you She calls in her guardians and her spirit guides and all of that jazz too, and then we begin and She said okay. Well

Johanne Walker (33:02.573)
Mm.

andrea (33:19.874)
So your mom has been here for like three days. Waiting.

Johanne Walker (33:23.063)
Yeah

Johanne Walker (33:26.498)
She was so excited.

andrea (33:28.098)
She's been here for like three days, been here for like three days, she's like, so who you're calling in, like, so who medium of them  been here for a while, but you know. And how she says she sees it, how she says she sees it, you're on the stage, and then some people are closer to the front, and some people are closer into the back. So it's like you call in forward and you call in back. Like that's how it works for her. that's how it works for is

Yeah, so it was really, really good. My mom did all the talking though. All the talk, all the talking, which is great because she was very, like when she was here, she was very connected. She was very into crystals and like Louise Hay affirmations and Reiki and German new medicine and body talk. And like we grew up on homeopathic and naturopathic medicine, that sort of thing. So we've always kind of been the.

Johanne Walker (34:00.206)
Of course you did.

andrea (34:27.01)
weird kids, like weird kids. And my mom was a nurse and she brought up me and my brother with homeopathic, naturopathic, chiropractic medicine because she didn't like a, she saw firsthand a way of just treating symptoms versus treating base cause or root causes. And she didn't wanna raise her family like that. She didn't want her kids to be raised like that. And so we kind of went the other route with things. So she's always been very connected. So,

Johanne Walker (34:28.554)
And your mom was a nurse. She was a nurse.

Johanne Walker (34:47.18)
Yeah.

andrea (34:57.922)
The medium was like, so your mom is a very dominant spirit and she comes through like that and She has a lot to say and like okay, that's good. That's good Because it was really great because I never like I said, I never really got to say goodbye to her anything like that So it was great to just have kind of a conversation So when I know the meat and the meat and the potatoes here

Johanne Walker (35:18.546)
Okay, so what did she say? Get to the...

andrea (35:27.362)
She said it took her a long time to kind of like cross over because she wasn't ready to go. And she was really angry that she died when she did die and that she didn't really want to cross over until my dad crossed over. She was kind of like waiting for him, which I've heard from other girlfriends who are kind of very spiritual inclined that when my dad was still alive, it's like your mom's always kind of around your dad. Like that's where her focus is. So when they're now over on the other side, they're always like, they're always together.

Johanne Walker (35:57.61)
I love that.

andrea (35:58.082)
they're always together. And my mom seems to be always standing, my dad always seems to be seated. And I'm like, well, that would make sense because of his disability where he was bedridden and he wasn't walking and all that jazz. And then my mom reverted back to her blonde hair face when she was in her 30s and her 40s. So she used to have short blonde hair, she would get highlights done and stuff like that. Yeah, and my mom did a little.

Johanne Walker (36:18.284)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (36:26.754)
So the medium's telling you this? Like she's telling you like what your mom looks like? I guess that's how your mom decided to show herself to you?

andrea (36:30.818)
Yeah, and-

Yeah, like she came through as older and then she reverted back to how she looked when she was younger. And then the medium would give like details, certain things that would kind of like affirm that, okay, this is your mom showing that she's actually here. And so it was like, are you wearing a piece of jewelry that belonged to your mom? I'm like, yes, I am. Okay. And she's like, okay, well that, your mom wanted me to let you know that she sees that and that's how she's letting you know that she's here right now.

Johanne Walker (36:43.679)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (36:50.002)
Okay.

andrea (37:04.93)
and like other bits and pieces. Cause like my mom's sign, like when she comes to me, it's always with birds. And so the medium, I didn't tell the medium that. And then the medium said it was with birds. And then my mom's mom, my grandma came through and her signs always been butterflies. I've never told, I don't even think I've told you that. No, I like the only people who know that is me and my mom. So my grandma came through.

Johanne Walker (37:22.474)
No, I didn't know that about your grandmother.

Johanne Walker (37:28.002)
I'm sorry.

andrea (37:31.49)
and she's represented by butterflies. I'm like, okay, well that makes sense. They like reaffirmed like stuff that when I see butterflies, I know it's always my grandma. And when I see birds, specific birds too, I know it's always my mom. But it was really nice to hear that like affirmation, almost like, yeah, that's actually true Andrea. Like that's actually your mom and that's actually.

Johanne Walker (37:52.558)
But it's not like every bird in the sky because it would be like that, but it's like, I think it's like, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's easy to say birds and butterflies like in the spring, but like, it's like when they're like coming in and they're close to you, isn't that like.

andrea (37:56.322)
Mom, mom, mom, mom, mom. She's everywhere.

andrea (38:04.93)
Yeah, yeah.

andrea (38:11.33)
Yeah, so it'll be like birds that sit like directly outside my window and like look down at me. Yeah. Yeah. Or like she said, if it's a bird that's up really high, so like a falcon or a hawk with like a wingspan and just kind of like looking down, like that's your mom having her like bird's eye view of the situation, which was really cool. Very, very cool. And like what, what else she said, it was just like really

Johanne Walker (38:16.33)
Yeah, like where there's a connection. You're like, well, what are you looking at? Okay.

Johanne Walker (38:33.476)
Mmm.

andrea (38:41.25)
It really affirmed my decisions over the last year and a half or even let's just see since her passing as well. My mom and dad were both really happy with the party that I threw, that we threw together right through Pearls and Punny. Their house, they were really touched about it.

Johanne Walker (39:00.382)
Yeah. How could they not? We threw a celebration of life for your grandmother and both your parents. And I mean, they were honorary guests. I mean, I love that they brought that up and how much they loved it.

andrea (39:10.018)
Yeah.

andrea (39:16.898)
Yeah, they both were really chuffed about it and everything with the selling of the house and they're like, we fully support you in this. That was the only option that could happen. And it just felt really good, really good. And then my mom basically did all the talking and so when the medium was like, do you have any questions? I'm like, yeah, why isn't my dad saying anything? I was really looking forward to hearing from my dad a little bit, because like.

Johanne Walker (39:29.101)
Yeah.

Yay!

Johanne Walker (39:38.612)
Hehe

andrea (39:44.034)
I love my mom, but I'm such a daddy's girl and I know that. Like I love my father to death. And I really wanted to hear from him. And she's like, okay, hold on, let me see. Let me see if he's not doing a lot of talking. And it's like, it almost seems like your mom's doing the talking for the both of them. I'm like, well, that would make sense because like when he was here, he was so, he was profoundly deaf. So my mom was his ears and whatnot.

Johanne Walker (40:10.702)
She did a lot of talking for him. And let's just say that your mom never had, I mean, this is the way I look at it, your mom never really had an opportunity to say all these things. So it's like, you know, where your dad had more time here.

andrea (40:12.514)
Yes, it was.

andrea (40:25.602)
Yeah, yeah. It's like stuff that she's been holding in since her passing that looks like, okay, like something needs to be said. So like my dad did eventually like come through and like say say stuff to say some things as well. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Refer back to your mother, please. Thanks, dad. Thanks, dad. Appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, so it was really good. And then at the end, she asked if I had any questions and stuff like that.

Johanne Walker (40:30.324)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (40:37.466)
I agree with everything your mother said.

andrea (40:55.298)
at all around anything, anything that was covered or anything that wasn't covered that I really had like lingering threads about. So it was really good. It was really good.

Johanne Walker (41:08.47)
Yeah, so you're able to like clear it out and like feel good about it. Cause I will say that there was this incredible lightness to you after. It was.

andrea (41:13.762)
Yeah.

andrea (41:20.866)
Yeah, well it was like, it's like I didn't realize how much I needed to hear, to hear it. I didn't realize, I was like, oh no, yeah, I was like, oh no, I'm fine, like it's okay, like I'm going through my grief, I've dealt with it, I kind of have flare ups now and again, but I'm doing the best that I can. But like it was afterwards where it was like, I really needed, I honestly really needed to hear that because as much as I'm like, oh, I don't need my parents approval and I don't want to, I don't need to hear that, like they're proud of me, it's like, Ashley, I...

Johanne Walker (41:27.71)
Yeah. Well, they're your parents.

andrea (41:49.122)
do want to hear that my parents are proud of me. And I do have their kind of blessing and how I'm choosing to live my life and the choices that I've made in the last like year and a half too, right? Like, cause as much as I think I'm doing, no, not think, as much as I'm doing what's best for me and that like, you're so supportive, Dan's so supportive. Like I surround my people, I've surround myself with people who are supportive of my choices. It's still like.

Johanne Walker (42:06.661)
Mm.

Johanne Walker (42:16.95)
Yeah.

andrea (42:17.346)
They're my parents and I want to do them proud. And it's like how I choose to live my life is a testament to how they chose to raise me. They're in everything that I do. So it's nice to have that little like, good job Andrea, we're proud of you sort of thing. Like it felt really, really good. It's like everything that I needed to hear that I didn't realize I still needed to hear.

Johanne Walker (42:39.213)
Yeah.

Hmm.

andrea (42:46.53)
and I probably still will need to hear it again, maybe five years down the road. I don't know, but I can say right now, like it felt really, really good, really good. Right? Thank you.

Johanne Walker (42:57.194)
I'm so happy for you. So Merry Christmas, by the way.

andrea (43:03.97)
Thank you very much. I very much appreciate it. And what was really cool is that I was able to record it so I can listen back to it. Because it's just over an hour session and she's giving you so much that it's like I can't keep track of everything. So thankfully I was able to record it and I can listen back to it whenever I feel like I want to or if I want to revisit it.

Johanne Walker (43:18.323)
It's crazy.

Johanne Walker (43:30.718)
Well yeah, and you're kind of in disbelief too when it's all happening, you're just like, what? Like, I can't even.

andrea (43:35.458)
Like, is this really them or are you faking it? Like, what is this? Oh, and the best part is my mom sending me a man.

Johanne Walker (43:44.898)
The best part?

Yes, she is. Of course she is. He's on his way, I believe is what she said to you.

andrea (43:51.042)
She's on it, she's on it. He's... Yeah, he's at the forefront, he's on his way, he's tall with broad shoulders.

Johanne Walker (44:02.146)
Hurt it here first, folks.

andrea (44:02.882)
Yeah, yeah.

Johanne Walker (44:07.254)
You know, hey, listen, I'm gonna say this. There's always lots of men, right? It's not like, oh my God, what's wrong with her because she's single. There's always lots of men. It's just like who you choose to surround yourself with, right? Because when you pick your spouse or your partner or someone that you're gonna spend time with, your friends,

andrea (44:12.802)
there are.

andrea (44:26.498)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (44:34.978)
They need to be on your side and lift you up.

andrea (44:38.882)
What is it they say, it's like the most important decision that you make in your life is who you choose to marry or be your partner or however you wanna refer to them. Like that's the most important decision that you'll make in your life. And so it's like, okay, well, like I'm really good being by myself and I have no problem being single. I have no problem being single, I enjoy it. So I'm, because I'll have that question a lot, like, well, why are you still single Andrea? It's like, I'm just, I'm very choosy.

Johanne Walker (44:46.519)
Yes.

Johanne Walker (44:49.814)
Yeah.

andrea (45:07.938)
I love my life as it is and I want someone to add to it, but if you're not going to add to it, then I don't want you in my life.

Johanne Walker (45:13.794)
Well, why would you? What are you gonna do? Spend time every day with someone that you don't even really like or you don't share the same values or they, like it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's such an old thought process, you know? Yeah. Love is love.

andrea (45:23.682)
Yeah. Yeah.

andrea (45:29.058)
Yeah. Love is love. Love.

Johanne Walker (45:31.934)
Yeah. Whether you're with someone or without some.

andrea (45:36.482)
Yeah, well I thought it was really funny because I went out on a date on Sunday and I love it because you texted me and you're like, is this guy the guy that your mom's sending you? And I'm like, I don't know. It's too early to tell. He's not tall and he does not have broad shoulders so probably not.

Johanne Walker (45:53.922)
Ha ha.

andrea (45:57.826)
I'm sorry.

Johanne Walker (45:58.606)
But then I said, well, I guess it kind of depends on what size your mom is on the other side, because if she's like a little fairy, then he would be tall and broad-shouldered. But if she's like life-size, maybe not, I don't know.

andrea (46:07.906)
Maybe not. I thought about that. I'm like, that's a very good point, Joanne. We don't know.

Johanne Walker (46:19.466)
I think what your mom said, well, what you had told me was, is that he's a very, very nice man.

andrea (46:25.57)
Yeah, he's gonna be a very nice man. Almost too nice where your friends are gonna think you're gonna like chew him up and spit him out. But I'm like, I'm nice, I'm nice. Like I wouldn't, I'm nice.

Johanne Walker (46:40.514)
Well, you know, Dan, he always says, if you have to walk around going, saying, I'm nice, I'm nice, I'm nice, maybe you're not so nice.

andrea (46:48.514)
Maybe, maybe you're not. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah. Yeah, so she's sending me a guy.

Johanne Walker (46:57.066)
I'm just joking. That's amazing. Well, I'm so happy for you that you had this experience and there's this lightness and, you know, your mom answered lots of questions for you, which is so great, you know? And I will say this as a mother.

andrea (46:57.986)
I know you're sorry.

andrea (47:04.386)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (47:18.082)
We just want our kids to be happy. We want our children to hopefully get along, hopefully make each other a priority to take care of one another, to be a stand for one another. But it's like we can only do as parents so much and then it's up to the individuals. So it's just like...

andrea (47:20.642)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (47:42.37)
Mm-hmm.

Johanne Walker (47:46.87)
Your mom just wanted you to know that you're doing a great job. Cause that's what I would want my kids to know.

andrea (47:50.05)
Yeah, well, and it's talking to them and spending, I'll say time with them. There's none of that like back and forth, like earthly he said, she said, like not gossipy, but just like mundane sort of thing. Like there's none of that. It's just pure love. It's pure, pure love. And I remember like,

Johanne Walker (47:58.667)
Yes.

Johanne Walker (48:09.099)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (48:13.934)
cure them.

andrea (48:17.794)
I've been able to connect into that once before. And it was like a time when I had, I think I had a dream or there was some, no, no, no, no, no, no, it was a cacao ceremony, like a shamanic journey, cacao with shamanic drumming that I was able to connect in with my mom. And that was the only other time that I've been able to do it. And it was just this feeling of pure love. And it's just.

Johanne Walker (48:42.915)
Mmm.

andrea (48:44.418)
I can't even describe it other than like, it's just pure love. Because there was nothing, there was no agenda, there was no strings attached, there was no contingency, there was no only if you do it this way that you'll get love. Like there was none of that. It was just pure, pure love and acceptance. And so I was able to tap into that when I talked to them through the media. And I was like, okay, this is really good.

Like it's really good. Like I don't think I can tell you, like I feel like words can't even put in, like I can't even put into words exactly how amazing this gift was. And to think that I was like, oh no, it's on, like, oh yeah, whatever, you know, like, I was like, whoa, this is actually quite, it's quite powerful, so thank you, thank you. And I'm, thank you. And I'm so excited that you get to see the same media this week, because you get to.

Johanne Walker (49:25.578)
You deserve it!

Johanne Walker (49:32.054)
You're welcome. You deserve it.

Johanne Walker (49:39.118)
Yes, I do. Yeah. Yes, thank you. Okay. Well, thank you so much for sharing that, Andrea. It's been a big week, big week!

andrea (49:42.146)
which is really cool.

Yeah.

andrea (49:50.466)
You're welcome. You're welcome. A very big week. A very big week. Yeah. In the best possible way.

Johanne Walker (50:00.266)
Yeah, I feel like completion on different things, it's like we want to be told that we're doing a good job. You know, from our parents, from our siblings, from our cousins, from our kids, from everybody around us, you know? We want to feel like we're doing it right, you know?

andrea (50:09.442)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (50:16.77)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (50:22.946)
Uh-huh.

Johanne Walker (50:25.85)
And I don't believe that there's any wrong or right way. I think sometimes it's just different choices that we make. But at this point in your life, having that connection with your parents brought you peace.

andrea (50:32.45)
Mm-hmm.

andrea (50:40.578)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Johanne Walker (50:43.494)
And what you do with that piece is up to you. You know, and it's like, I hope you hang on to it as long as you can. That's my wish for you. Yeah, you're welcome.

andrea (50:52.866)
Thank you. Thank you, friend. Thank you, friend. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Like, follow, subscribe. Please open up my door on all the socials. If you have a lingering story or something that you would like us to share our two cents about, please hit us up at please open my door.

Johanne Walker (51:01.212)
Ah, Mike and Lynn Amor in the house.

andrea (51:21.794)
and we'd be more than happy to talk it off.

Johanne Walker (51:24.29)
and we'll put the link in for Tegan. Right.

andrea (51:26.786)
Oh yes, yeah, so the medium that I got to see and have a session with will put her contact information in the description notes or the show notes. And is there anyone else that we should? No, I can't remember. If there is anything else, when I listen back to this, if there's anything else, it'll be down there too, right?

Johanne Walker (51:36.907)
Yeah.

Johanne Walker (51:41.73)
I hope you do.

Johanne Walker (51:45.734)
Hahaha!

Johanne Walker (51:49.762)
Have the best day!

andrea (51:50.626)
Thank you. You too. Love you.

Johanne Walker (51:52.758)
Love you too. Bye.